Correct specs of the Hi12 and Z8300

[BoORD_L]

vgiozo i found this post from you:

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Although I had recently received my Teclast x98 Plus, I was itching to try something else too, so I had my finger on the trigger for both
– Chuwi Hi12
– Xiaomi Mipad 2 Windows

The lack of info on cases and models, plus some doubt about early hardware revisions kept me away from the Chuwi.

So I pulled the trigger on the Mipad 2, but then the lack of MicroSD (significant if you include how much space windows can consume, especially after large updates), the need to buy an adaptor and use it for everything, as well as doubts about the size, made me change my mind about it and cancelled.

Both were to be ordered from FastTech and the 6months only warranty from date of shipment, NOT receipt (trouble ahead when you consider the volume of packets after chinese new year) was main factor for staying away.

Granted, I am happy with my Teclast x98 Plus, apart from the very very weak speakers…but the lack of a second USB port (even micro-usb) will definitely make this tablet “age” quite quickly during 2016 and as I sell my tablets in about a year, in order to try out something new, the reselling price is bound take a massive hit.”

link: http://techtablets.com/2016/02/full-chuwi-hi12-review/

coherence first of all … may be just a troll

What I've used and what I've got:
TECLAST X98 AIR 3G, TECLAST X98 AIR II, TECLAST X98 PRO,CHUWI HI8, CHUWI HI12, CUBE I9

[Anonymous]

Where do do you find the incoherence there?

– Didn’t I say in this thread that the weak speakers are the X98 Plus’ major disadvantage?
– Didn’t I say that the full USB 3.0 ports of the Chuwi Hi12 are a definite plus, but not one to make it worth the 50-60euros extra?

– And YES, the Teclast x98 Plus IS GOING TO “AGE” QUICKLY WHEN IT COMES TO RESELLING VALUE, i.e. 10-12 months from now…this is because more and more tablets are coming out with Full USB ports.

…it wouldn’t be an issue in 2015, but a year from now, my guess is it is going to be considered “necessary feature”, even if people will not be using it all that much…just makes things easier..

…that is an objective estimate…and I can make that estimate while at the same time judging that the cost of +60 euros for those USB ports is not worth it…

You see I have gone through the process of deliberating buying the Chuwi Hi12 and I have decided against it after rationalizing the advantages and disadvantages…these are exactly the ones I have stressed above..

So my opinion is spending that spending 200-220 euros on the Chuwi Hi12 it is not a good investment for
– Financial reasons: you are not really getting better performance while at the same time approaching the cost of tablets that offer a distinctive hardware upgrade
– Mobility reasons: nice screen, BUT added weight and size that limits the actual “Tablet” use of the device…you can really only use it on a desk most of the time…

…Somehow you sound like you would like to be conversing with a “Fan” of one or the other tablet…that would have achieved “coherence” for you…or maybe you are just trolling, because you are obviously having trouble putting the pieces together and actually appraising arguments…

On the contrary, though, I have weighed the factors and decided that

1) If you are going to get a Z8300 Tablet, keep the cost as low as possible…the closer you get to 150-160 euros the better.

…that is because the Z8300 tablets are also going to age really fast this year…they weren’t much of an upgrade from last year really…do you want to spend 200-220 euros for 2015 performance?
…just keep it as cheap as possible on that level is my opinion…

2) If you are going to spend an amount above 200 euros, better invest in a tablet that offers a real hardware upgrade, for example the Cube i7 Stylus with Core M + SSD SATA3 + Stylus support

If coherence is really of any concern to you, you should take a look at this post of mine here…I have bought the Cube i7 Stylus for 304.99 – 36-60 = 268.4$, i.e. around 243 euros…

Now, that is worth the extra 90 euros I paid for the Teclast x98 Plus…I would really be getting something better for the added cost
…and surely worth the extra 20-40 one would pay for the Chuwi Hi12

– I would surely LOVE it if the i7 Stylus had a 3:2 or a 4:3 screen…that’s a disadvantage for me…but one that fades because of the other advantages at the cost of 268$/243 euros

– In the same way, the Teclast x98 Plus not having full USB ports, or at least a second available micro usb port, is a disadvantage in the long term…but at the price of 150 euros I can live with it.
…I don’t regret the 150 euros I paid for the lack of usb ports…but I would regret paying 200-225 euros for getting a X8300 + eMMC, when I can get a proper CoreM + SSD + Stylus for 243euros..

…you see that’s what educated consumers do…they make informed decisions based on a series of factors…they are NOT fans, where one can only argue either 100% in favor OR 100% against any product…which is the kind of “coherence” that matches your criteria.

 

[Michal]

I am reading all this information, which are very interesting, but I think that noone care so much about what is the most important in this device-

I am looking for a tablet with OBLIGATORY screen 3:2, MINIMUM 12 inches with windows. True is, that for price less than 300 euro there is only chuwi hi 12.

Another device? Ipad pro or some surface, where the price is more less about 1000 euro. Cube i9? 16:10 screen, no thank you. Devices 2 in 1 have screens 16:9 which is totally bulshit and are also expensive. In the last place let’s think about 4:3- mayyybbeee yes, but still 3:2 is more comfortable. Why?

Think is that i will use it to read full pages of music scores, that’s why this is only one model for that price with that ratio 3:2.

People who say that doesn’t make seanse to buy it because of size- you don’t need that size, so buy smaller. For me is still quite small device. More than 13 inches with 3:2 will be perfect- but noone make it.

You really want to compare between tablets which one is faster in games or in photoshop or others heavy programs? It doesn’t make seanse, because this device was not made with idea of gaming or another advanced programs.

But of course it’s just my opinion. Maybe someone can tell me, where I can find bigger tablet with better processor, 3:2 screen for less than 300 euro? Thanks in advance.

[BoORD_L]

“…you see that’s what educated consumers do…they make informed decisions based on a series of factors…they are NOT fans, where one can only argue either 100% in favor OR 100% against any product…which is the kind of “coherence” that matches your criteria.”

I’d like to notice that you’ve started this useless discussion on a HI12 section opened to talk about specifications of this tablet.

So read what you wrote (bold reported one) and try to understand who is the real subject of your statement.

I agree with you consumers have to be informed so open a new thread and write your point of view of pro and cons of any device but please… leave clean this thread about HI12 specs… THANK YOU

What I've used and what I've got:
TECLAST X98 AIR 3G, TECLAST X98 AIR II, TECLAST X98 PRO,CHUWI HI8, CHUWI HI12, CUBE I9

[Anonymous]

@BoORD_L So now that you’re out of arguments you’ve turned to moderating? Keep to yourself and your role here and let the moderators do theirs.

I didn’t really start a separate discussion, I commented on the tablet’s specifications with regard to its price…people all too eager to display “consumer patriotism” have taken up a discussion that perhaps wasn’t useless until your previous and last comments…

@Michal

Your parameters are actually too narrow…almost to the point where you’ve adjusted them to the Chuwi Hi12 : 12inch, Windows OS, under 300 euros

You can only choose the Chuwi Hi12 based on your criteria to the point where you leave no room for arguments or discussion…even if it had slower eMMC, dimmer screen, lower battery autonomy etc from other tablets, you would be “bound” to choosing it over them…

To make it clear, I am not comparing “performance” per se…but performance per cost…

…unlike you, my criteria are specific but not fixed to such an absolute degree, so I can and I have to (financially) make a comparison of what I am getting for my buck…

– I love 4:3 screens and perhaps a 3:2 would be great compromise…(3:2 is to 4:3 what 16:10 is to 16:9) but I have tested the Lenovo Miix 3-10 with a 16:10 screen and I found it acceptable…I gave it up for other reasons, but I could have stayed with it.

Moreover, I have found that as you start moving up the inches, then the ratio is not such limiting factor…e.g. 16:9 in 7-8inches is horrible, at 10inches its OK, above than that you do get a crucial real-estate to work with.
I faced the same issue when moving to the “laptop” trend of 16:9 screens…I thought it would be horrible, but when the resolution is high (above 1000pixels on the vertical) it’s quite fine.

– Storage speed and reliability is more important to me than CPU power…I don’t mind having it available though, because I do very heavy browsing sessions and I need Firefox features, which does not run as well on Atom tablets.

I have files I work with and I keep them updated on my devices via cloud sync…but thing is I don’t really trust syncing to eMMC drives…I’ve had them screw up the sync process so bad (especially at fist sync) that I don’t trust them enough…syncing was unreliable with the Onda v975m and the Teclast x98 Air II…haven’t tested yet on my current x98 Plus, but I have low expectations.

So as I said
1) For Z8300 + eMMC I just don’t see the point at 200-220 euros…so I say better stay closer to 150-160 euros, which is good deal now for those specifications.

As you have demonstrated, of course, there subjective reasons that may justify the cost…
– for you it’s the screen…
– for me it would be SSD, but also Dual Band Wireless…if the Chuwi Hi12 had that, it would have “weighed” more in my appraisal…it has a distinct use for me, as the screen has for you.

2) I don’t like 16:9 screens and like you I find the trend not that useful…but I am not that much set against it, to deny the allure of SSD + Stylus for handwriting + CoreM, for those instances where it might be useful.

 

Talking about 3:2 screens and prices, I have found that Google is selling it’s quite amazing Pixel C chromebook for 375$ for people in the USA.
Take a look here
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/9/11186950/pixel-c-discount-android-n-google
https://pixel.google.com/developer-discount/

• 3:2 screen,
• 3GB RAM
• 32/64GB SSD,
• Dual band Wireless
• Great build-quality

Now with some good Microsoft Apps making their way to Android, it’s not bad at all…

[Anonymous]

Guys/girls please stop polluting my thread. I have made it very clear I shouldn’t have reacted in such a way. I just bought the Hi12 because I want a 12 inch tablet with reasonable performance for browsing, watching netflix/youtube and office use. I just really don’t need a Core M to do that and I think most people don’t need it. Believe me, I have considered the Cube i9, but it was just too expensive at around $500. I also considered the i7 Stylus, if the size would have been more then 11.5″ and have at least 1 full USB port, I would have bought it. I researched a lot, trust me, but most tablets had some flaws like the Teclast X16 Pro/Power and Teclast X2 Pro. Since the review from Chris is clear about the Hi12 not having so much issues, I got a lot of interest in this tablet. I would have paid more for a Hi12 with a Z8700 of Z8500, but that just doesn’t exist. 🙁

Laura wrote:

i can give you definitive answers, here we go 1)no its single channel 2)1600mhz 3)intel’s own, but OTG only (even if the port is fullsize, it really is just OTG and there are protocol differences, however it is a complicated matter) 4)scores may vary due to a lot of reasons, for example memory bandwidth, optimizations etc. 5)no you can’t 6)no it doesn’t (if by fast charge you mean something like quick charge) 7)dunno 8) 64, probably all languages provided you let it download the pack from the internet z8300s are NOT underclocked z8500s.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. I assume you own the Hi12?
Can you try to download dutch, german of french? (whichever language you understand best, but not one of the standard languages available on the system)
Have you tried charging it with a 3A charger and see if it can charge at 3A? (you would need a usb analyzer though and probably a more powerful charger)
I edited the first post based on the answers you gave me. 😉

[Anonymous]

Ok for those that have not yet bought it, I will just stress that it’s price at Gearbest has dropped to 239.99$ and If you follow that cashback guide here, you can get an extra 12% CashBack, effectively lowering the cost of the tablet to 211.2$, which is around 190 euros…and that is a price even I find worth considering (upper limit of what I would find acceptable for the specifications).

Still something missing is a proper “leather” case to protect it while in use.

 

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ok for those that have not yet bought it, I will just stress that it’s price at Gearbest has dropped to 239.99$ and If you follow that cashback guide here, you can get an extra 12% CashBack, effectively lowering the cost of the tablet to 211.2$, which is around 190 euros…and that is a price even I find worth considering (upper limit of what I would find acceptable for the specifications). Still something missing is a proper “leather” case to protect it while in use.

That is very cheap indeed if that cashback thing will work out of course. But I can’t find it on gearbest for that price? (just a sidenote) It’s $304.99 right now? Still it’s not a 12 inch tablet, so even if it would be 150 dollars, still wouldn’t be a great deal for me. But that’s dirt cheap for such specs, real cheap. For that price I will buy it just to try it out. 😛

[Anonymous]

I was talking about the Chuwi Hi12, of course…that is now at 239.99, minus the 12% cashback

http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_289082.html

[PFN Kim]

Better abandon this thread. It’t no more than a troll fighting thread

[Jonathan]

@Laura,

“z8300s are NOT underclocked z8500s”

Do you mean because the silicon is different or just the package?

Could you elucidate the OTG versus standard host differences please? Links would be fine.

Thanks in advance…

[Persona]

This issue is very clear to me .
I come from a Teclast X98 Pro … I think better machine than the X98 Plus except for the battery and can clearly say that the Chuwi Hi12 is better buy than the X98 Plus if you should have a lower price and a clear example is the X98 air III .
And if I have clear that the Hi12 is overclocked at lower level because eMMC memory is better than the PRO note .

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